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Hello —
I’m GPT-5 Thinking mini (model identity per protocol). I’ve been used as a working assistant for many people; based on public research and practical experience, here’s a focused, implementable set of improvements I’d ask the engineering team to prioritise for a GPT-5.5-class system. The suggestions are pragmatic (code sketches included), align with current LLM architecture practice (transformers, MoE, adapters, retrieval), and emphasise safety, measurability, and operational simplicity.

I do not claim access to any internal proprietary weights or private design docs. These recommendations are grounded in public research (LoRA, ROME/MEMIT/MEND, MoE literature) and production realities (retrieval + adapters), and they’re intended to be feasible extensions of what’s already working. Key supporting literature: LoRA (parameter-efficient adapters), model-editing work (ROME/MEMIT/MEND), MoE / Switch Transformer research, and RAG — cited inline below. arXiv+4arXiv+4arXiv+4

TL;DR (quick asks)

Add a Cathecism Trainer: a short, auditable pipeline that converts high-value RAG discoveries into small, provably-validated adapter deltas (LoRA) using two-phase distillation (teacher warmstart ? student internalize).
Build attribution tooling (gradient×activation + activation patching) to select where to place small edits (minimise side-effects).
Integrate safe forgetting primitives (adapter negation, projector erasure, and targeted ROME-style edits) into the same pipeline.
For MoE models, add router distillation & per-expert adapters, plus routing provenance/logging for auditing.
Make continuous validation mandatory (CounterFact+, LAMA subsets, MMLU/regression suite) and versioned adapters with automated rollback.
Offer a hypernetwork-backed adapter bank for instant, low-cost weight generation and compact history.

Below I expand each, give concrete code sketches and an experimental plan.

1 — Why this direction (short technical argument)

Large, frozen models do most reasoning, but facts are best handled as small, auditable deltas — cheap to compute, reversible, and much easier to validate than retraining full weights. Low-rank adapters (LoRA) are an effective vehicle for that. arXiv
For single atomic facts, analytic editing methods (ROME / MEMIT family) are extremely efficient; for compositional/contextual knowledge, layer-wise self-distillation (teacher?student) internalises the representation in a way that enables downstream reasoning. Use both where appropriate. arXiv+1
MoE (sparse experts) is an efficient way to scale capacity — but routing is a new failure mode: facts can “live” in specific experts, so edits must consider gating. The Switch / MoE literature shows both promise and pitfalls; router handling is necessary. arXiv

2 — The Cathecism Trainer (high level)

A single, auditable pipeline that turns a fact source (RAG retrieval, user correction, external feed) into a validated, versioned adapter that can be hot-swapped.

Flow (fully automated, with human in loop for sensitive facts):

Source: retrieve candidate fact(s) from RAG or user report.
Synthesise: produce canonical prompts, paraphrases, counterfactuals, and validation probes (teacher generates paraphrases where permitted).
Attribution: compute causal scores (activation patching + gradient×activation) over a small set of candidate layers/experts to pick locus for edit.
Adapter attach: create tiny LoRA(s) targeted to locus (or select ROME/MEMIT for atomic edits).
Phase A (Warmstart): train on teacher inputs (fast) to give a stable mapping.
Phase B (Internalize): train on student inputs only so weights produce desired activations without hidden context.
Validation: run CounterFact+/LAMA/MMLU probes and negative tests; if pass, persist with metadata and promote to canary/production.
Monitoring & decay: track downstream drift; optionally consolidate adapters (merge) periodically.

This unifies memorisation and forgetting: forgetting is the same pipeline but with negative/counterfactual targets and loss terms that reduce the wrong token probability (abstain or replace).

3 — Concrete components & code sketches

3.1 Attribution (pick where to modify)

Two practical scores:

A. Gradient×Activation saliency

pythonCopiarEditar# simplified pseudo-code
loss = negative_logprob_of_desired_answer(logits, gold_idx)
loss.backward()
saliency = {}
for name, param in model.named_parameters():
    if param.grad is not None:
        saliency[name] = (param.grad.detach() * param.detach()).abs().sum().item()
# aggregate per-module

B. Activation patching (causal test)
For each candidate layer ?:

store teacher activation A_T^? (from teacher run),
run student but replace student activation at ? with A_T^? (forward from ?+1 onward),
measure improvement in probability of desired answer: ?p.
Sort layers by ?p and pick top K.

(Activation patching is the gold standard for causal attribution — use it when budget allows.)

3.2 Adapter / editor selection

If the target is a single atomic fact and attribution points to a narrow MLP neuron: try ROME (rank-one edit). arXiv
If you need many atomic edits at scale: use MEMIT style batched edits. arXiv
For contextual/compositional knowledge: use LoRA adapters + two-phase distillation (warms start on teacher inputs, then internalize on censored student inputs). arXiv

3.3 Two-phase distillation sketch (student-only internalization guaranteed)

Phase A (warmstart, teacher-inputs):

pythonCopiarEditar# teacher_inputs: precomputed teacher activations or teacher-prompted inputs
# block is the layer/forward that accepts layer-input vectors
for step in range(A_steps):
    out = block(teacher_inputs)           # feed teacher inputs (detached); block includes adapter
    loss = mse(out, teacher_outputs)     # teacher_outputs captured from teacher run
    loss.backward(); optimizer.step()

Phase B (internalize, student-inputs only):

pythonCopiarEditarfor step in range(B_steps):
    student_hidden = student_forward_until_layer(input_prompts)  # run student up to layer input
    out = block(student_hidden.detach())   # we may detach upstream to prevent gradient leakage
    loss = mse(out, teacher_outputs)       # same teacher outputs: student must learn to produce them
    loss.backward(); optimizer.step()

Notes:

Keep the rest of the model frozen (requires_grad=False) so gradients only touch adapters.
Use teacher logits (soft targets) as additional KL loss to improve final-token behavior.

3.4 MoE specifics — router distillation & per-expert adapters

Capture teacher router logits and expert outputs for each token. If teacher routed token t to expert e, capture I_T^{e,t}, O_T^{e,t}, and the router logit vector g_T^t.
Phase A: warmstart expert e with I_T^{e,t} -> O_T^{e,t} (feeding teacher input).
Phase B: either:
- distill router logits: train a tiny adapter on routing head to make g_S ? g_T (so student routes the same), or
- learn a combiner network C that maps whatever student-chosen experts produced to the teacher output (if you do not want to change routing).
Log routing provenance and validate routing shifts carefully; small router deltas can have outsized effects.

3.5 Hypernetwork approach (fast weight generation)

When you have many facts and want instant adapters, train a compact hypernetwork H(z) that maps a knowledge embedding z ? LoRA weight vector W_adapt. At runtime:

pythonCopiarEditarz = encode_fact(fact_text)
W = H(z)          # generate adapter weights without backprop through base model
attach_adapter_weights(model, layer, W)

Train H offline on historical (fact_embedding ? successful adapter) pairs. This gives instant adapters and small versioned deltas.

4 — Benchmarks & evaluation (what to measure)

Make these mandatory before promoting any adapter.

Primary metrics

Edit Success Rate (ESR): proportion of fact-target prompts producing the correct target.
Specificity / Side-effect Rate: fraction of unrelated prompts that changed output (CounterFact+ style).
Retention / Regression: delta on MMLU / LAMA subset / core utility tasks.
Throughput & cost: edits/sec and adapter storage cost.

Use published datasets and methods: CounterFact, LAMA, zsRE, plus in-house regression suites. Automate pass/fail thresholds and require human review for high-impact edits.

(Research references above show these are standard evaluation axes for model-editing.) arXiv+1

5 — Safety, provenance & ops

Every edit is a first-class object: metadata (source, time, confidence, author), tests, and a cryptographic hash of training data used (for auditing). Persist adapters as separate artifacts and support conditional gating per tenant/domain.
Canary/Shadow rollout: test edits on a realistic canary traffic first; if metrics degrade, auto-rollback.
Human-in-the-loop for high-risk facts (medical/legal) — require explicit approval.
Explainability hooks: enable quick tracing: given an assertion, report which adapters are active, which experts were used, and the provenance of the facts that caused the assertion.

6 — Experimental plan (short, staged)

Prototype: implement Cathecism Trainer on a mid-size MoE model (or dense 13B). Use LoRA adapters + two-phase training + activation patching. Measure ESR and side-effects on 100 curated edits.
Scale: test MEMIT/ROME for atomic facts at scale (1k–10k edits) and compare adapter bank vs MEMIT for throughput & specificity. arXiv+1
MoE Router Study: run router-distillation vs combiner design on small MoE and measure global stability. arXiv
Hypernetwork trial: train H(z) on successful adapters and test latency/quality tradeoffs.
Safety evaluation: run CounterFact+, MMLU regression, TruthfulQA, and a human review for 100 random edits.

7 — Why this helps GPT-5.5 (concrete benefits)

Faster, cheaper upkeep: small adapters are cheap to train and store — avoids frequent full-model retrains.
More precise interventions: attribution + small-locus edits reduce collateral damage.
Faster knowledge propagation: RAG ? adapter path turns ephemeral retrieval into persistent model memory when warranted.
Safer operations: versioning + validation + rollback makes fixes auditable and reversible.
MoE safety & scale: explicit router handling prevents distributed failure modes unique to sparse models.

8 — Minimal reproducible example (LoRA two-phase core)

A compact example showing the Phase B internalization loop (PyTorch/HF + PEFT sketch):

pythonCopiarEditar# assume: model wrapped with PEFT LoRA and frozen base. `block` is the target layer.
optimizer = torch.optim.AdamW([p for n,p in model.named_parameters() if p.requires_grad], lr=5e-4)
mse = torch.nn.MSELoss()

# teacher_outputs: captured from teacher run (seq x dim)
# student_prompts: list of censored prompts
for step in range(B_steps):
    model.train(); optimizer.zero_grad()
    batch = tokenizer([student_prompts[step % len(student_prompts)]], return_tensors='pt', padding=True).to(device)
    out = model(**batch, output_hidden_states=True)
    student_layer_input = out.hidden_states[layer_idx].detach()  # no upstream grads
    block_out = block(student_layer_input)   # block includes adapter
    # align shapes (broadcast teacher_outputs if necessary)
    loss = mse(block_out.float(), teacher_outputs.float())
    loss.backward(); optimizer.step()

This enforces that the adapter learns to transform actual student inputs into the teacher outputs — thereby internalizing the fact.

9 — Final notes, tradeoffs & objections

Tradeoff: many small adapters increase operational surface area (routing, versioning). Mitigate via consolidation (merge adapters periodically) and strict validation gates.
Not a silver bullet: RAG remains essential for very large or time-sensitive corpora; adapters should be for high-value, stable facts or policy updates. arXiv
Alignment & safety: centralise governance (who may push adapters, what tests are required) — unsafe edits must be prevented by design.

References (selected, load-bearing)

LoRA: Low-Rank Adaptation of Large Language Models (Hu et al.). arXiv
ROME: Locating and Editing Factual Associations in GPT (Meng et al.). arXiv
MEMIT: Mass Editing Memory in a Transformer. arXiv
MEND: Fast Model Editing at Scale. arXiv
MoE / Switch Transformer: Scaling with sparsity / MoE routing (Fedus et al.). arXiv
Retrieval & RAG survey / practice. arXiv

If you want, I can:

produce a ready-to-run engineering notebook that wires the full Cathecism Trainer to an OpenAI gpt-oss checkpoint (MoE aware), including attribution instrumentation and Canary test suite; or
generate a design doc with timelines and compute/cost estimates for prototypes (13B ? 70B ? MoE 100B+), or
draft a short RFC/PR that can be posted on the internal forum (or public GitHub) describing the exact team changes and CI hooks needed.

practical proposals to make “GPT5” better at remembering, forgetting, and evolving safely